Comments on: The 50 Dollar Logo Experiment http://www.160over90.com/blog/2009/02/17/the-50-dollar-logo-experiment/ Boomerang Table : 160over90 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:53:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Kristin Maija Peterson http://www.160over90.com/blog/2009/02/17/the-50-dollar-logo-experiment/comment-page-5/#comment-2669 Kristin Maija Peterson Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:25:53 +0000 http://www.160over90.com/blog/?p=2070#comment-2669 Hell of an experiment, but I am looking at it tongue in cheek. Thank you Mark Anthony for your detective work. I’m not surprised it’s a complete scam. I would use this experiment to educate (clients), that going for a logo that’s going for cheap, cheapens you, cheapens your business. It’s also a huge lesson in communication. It doesn’t happen often (thank god), but there has been a client or two that simply can not tell me what they are looking for, despite my probing questions to get to the heart of it all. Me, wanting make the client happy, is driven into endless rounds of revisions that makes the original direction go from well though out to total crap. Of course, I remind the client, that x amount of revisions will cost xxx. Sometime it stops the madness. In the end, I fire the client. I just wish I could see the warning signs sooner. Hell of an experiment, but I am looking at it tongue in cheek. Thank you Mark Anthony for your detective work. I’m not surprised it’s a complete scam. I would use this experiment to educate (clients), that going for a logo that’s going for cheap, cheapens you, cheapens your business. It’s also a huge lesson in communication. It doesn’t happen often (thank god), but there has been a client or two that simply can not tell me what they are looking for, despite my probing questions to get to the heart of it all. Me, wanting make the client happy, is driven into endless rounds of revisions that makes the original direction go from well though out to total crap. Of course, I remind the client, that x amount of revisions will cost xxx. Sometime it stops the madness. In the end, I fire the client. I just wish I could see the warning signs sooner.

]]> By: Vicki - VictoriaAnn Design http://www.160over90.com/blog/2009/02/17/the-50-dollar-logo-experiment/comment-page-5/#comment-2654 Vicki - VictoriaAnn Design Sat, 13 Feb 2010 22:52:17 +0000 http://www.160over90.com/blog/?p=2070#comment-2654 Wow. The cheese logo is...wow! Your comments in the email replies are just so funny too what a shame they stopped responding I'd have loved to have seen every cheese incorporated into the logo alongside some kind of religious theme!! Wow. The cheese logo is…wow! Your comments in the email replies are just so funny too what a shame they stopped responding I’d have loved to have seen every cheese incorporated into the logo alongside some kind of religious theme!!

]]> By: logo design company http://www.160over90.com/blog/2009/02/17/the-50-dollar-logo-experiment/comment-page-5/#comment-2579 logo design company Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:54:22 +0000 http://www.160over90.com/blog/?p=2070#comment-2579 yes 50dollarlogo is a scam. i used their services and had horrible experience. their online support is a wreck and do never respond. yes 50dollarlogo is a scam. i used their services and had horrible experience. their online support is a wreck and do never respond.

]]> By: Doug DeMarra http://www.160over90.com/blog/2009/02/17/the-50-dollar-logo-experiment/comment-page-5/#comment-2461 Doug DeMarra Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:39:06 +0000 http://www.160over90.com/blog/?p=2070#comment-2461 What I want to see is 160's version of the logo. What I want to see is 160’s version of the logo.

]]> By: Mark Anthony http://www.160over90.com/blog/2009/02/17/the-50-dollar-logo-experiment/comment-page-5/#comment-2426 Mark Anthony Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:28:14 +0000 http://www.160over90.com/blog/?p=2070#comment-2426 Hey Jim, We have found this company to be operation from Nepal. Name of the person in Customer Services happens to be "Sabina" not "Abina". Tommy O'driscoll of UK seems to be operating it illegally in Nepal. It has came into our notice that this company (50dollarlogo.com) has not paid the local govt. since years and also do not pay its workers on time. It’s a complete scam...... BEWARE others!!! :-( Hey Jim,
We have found this company to be operation from Nepal. Name of the person in Customer Services happens to be “Sabina” not “Abina”. Tommy O’driscoll of UK seems to be operating it illegally in Nepal. It has came into our notice that this company (50dollarlogo.com) has not paid the local govt. since years and also do not pay its workers on time. It’s a complete scam…… BEWARE others!!!

:-(

]]> By: Article Submission http://www.160over90.com/blog/2009/02/17/the-50-dollar-logo-experiment/comment-page-5/#comment-2188 Article Submission Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:33:12 +0000 http://www.160over90.com/blog/?p=2070#comment-2188 Hello, just thought you'd be interested to know that I have added your blog to my Google bookmarks because of your fantastic blog layout (LOL). With that said, seriously, I believe your blog has one of the cleanest design I've came across. It really makes your blog post easier to read. Hello, just thought you’d be interested to know that I have added your blog to my Google bookmarks because of your fantastic blog layout (LOL). With that said, seriously, I believe your blog has one of the cleanest design I’ve came across. It really makes your blog post easier to read.

]]> By: g3niuz http://www.160over90.com/blog/2009/02/17/the-50-dollar-logo-experiment/comment-page-5/#comment-1970 g3niuz Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:43:02 +0000 http://www.160over90.com/blog/?p=2070#comment-1970 this article is really crazy... thx for wriing down your experience ;D this article is really crazy…

thx for wriing down your experience ;D

]]> By: max http://www.160over90.com/blog/2009/02/17/the-50-dollar-logo-experiment/comment-page-5/#comment-1968 max Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:25:45 +0000 http://www.160over90.com/blog/?p=2070#comment-1968 This "experiment" is kindof a mockery. However, it does go to show that you get what you pay for. The biggest problem in this experiment is the customer did not know what they wanted, and changed their mind throughout the process. (now i want it to include a religious connotation...) If the customer had clearly stated what they wanted, and the company just couldn't deliver it, that would be another story. Based on the information the designers had, the logos the customer received were perfect (haha, so ugly, but definitely what the customer deserved). The time frame is a different story, I wonder if there is fine print on the logo design website that says the first round would be delivered in 3 days, and then after that.... who knows. I also love how after the 1st round, the design company gave the customer very specific instructions on how to choose which version was closest, and the customer completely ignored the instructions. The designers basically started from scratch again with NO information on what needed to be different. The customer is so vague (obviously on purpose)! That is kindof abusive. Wasting other people's time. I do think that this "experiment" may have stolen time from those designers who were working for practically nothing and had no chance of coming up with a winning design, seeings how this was all just an "experiment" anyway. The customer was being "hard to please" in a very unrealistic way. Especially since at first he said "not like target" and then later "like target". A better experiment would be to have a person who actually needed a logo for a real business and had real expectations and who wasn't aware that this was an experiment at all, do this. See what happens. Then all the responses would be genuine and not just "ok, what can I say that will be totally vague just to mess with these guys?" Because of the way the "experiment" was performed, I think it was a failure. I do think it is morally wrong to do an experiment. The claim is that the people it hurts aren't really "designers" anyway. There is no way to really know that. The only purpose of this experiment that i could find is that we, the readers, are supposed to decide if the outcome was worth your $50 investment. The answer is yes, absolutely. You payed $50 instead of a reasonable price, you get crap instead of a reasonable logo. On the other hand, I do think that Abina had a large part in this fiasco. First of all, she should have asked more questions and required more information from the customer. One huge factor is the client never had to fill out some kind of "questionnaire" which this logo site desperately needs. The questionnaire would tell the designers the desired color scheme (do not use yellow as that matches my warehouse), mood, what needs to be communicated, etc. After the customer said "Can you finesse them?" Abina should have asked a barrage of questions, trying to figure out what this customer has in mind. Basically this "experiment" wasn't showing how horrible the logo design company was, but how horrible the customer-logo designer communication was in this case. I do think that the logos were awful, but what did the logo design website portfolio look like? Was it similar crap? If so, again, it is the customer's fault for going with them (what?! why is my logo not as good as Coca cola's? I thought these guys designed Coca cola's logo!!) I also think that maybe Abina might have guessed that this "red flag" customer was just impossible to please. Everyone should know this: Fast, Good, or Cheap. Choose Two. (http://freelanceswitch.com/money/fast-good-cheap-pricing-freelance-work/) Since you want a "good" logo so cheap, well, that is why it will take years. This “experiment” is kindof a mockery. However, it does go to show that you get what you pay for. The biggest problem in this experiment is the customer did not know what they wanted, and changed their mind throughout the process. (now i want it to include a religious connotation…) If the customer had clearly stated what they wanted, and the company just couldn’t deliver it, that would be another story. Based on the information the designers had, the logos the customer received were perfect (haha, so ugly, but definitely what the customer deserved). The time frame is a different story, I wonder if there is fine print on the logo design website that says the first round would be delivered in 3 days, and then after that…. who knows. I also love how after the 1st round, the design company gave the customer very specific instructions on how to choose which version was closest, and the customer completely ignored the instructions. The designers basically started from scratch again with NO information on what needed to be different. The customer is so vague (obviously on purpose)! That is kindof abusive. Wasting other people’s time. I do think that this “experiment” may have stolen time from those designers who were working for practically nothing and had no chance of coming up with a winning design, seeings how this was all just an “experiment” anyway.
The customer was being “hard to please” in a very unrealistic way. Especially since at first he said “not like target” and then later “like target”. A better experiment would be to have a person who actually needed a logo for a real business and had real expectations and who wasn’t aware that this was an experiment at all, do this. See what happens. Then all the responses would be genuine and not just “ok, what can I say that will be totally vague just to mess with these guys?”
Because of the way the “experiment” was performed, I think it was a failure.
I do think it is morally wrong to do an experiment. The claim is that the people it hurts aren’t really “designers” anyway. There is no way to really know that.
The only purpose of this experiment that i could find is that we, the readers, are supposed to decide if the outcome was worth your $50 investment. The answer is yes, absolutely. You payed $50 instead of a reasonable price, you get crap instead of a reasonable logo.
On the other hand, I do think that Abina had a large part in this fiasco. First of all, she should have asked more questions and required more information from the customer. One huge factor is the client never had to fill out some kind of “questionnaire” which this logo site desperately needs. The questionnaire would tell the designers the desired color scheme (do not use yellow as that matches my warehouse), mood, what needs to be communicated, etc. After the customer said “Can you finesse them?” Abina should have asked a barrage of questions, trying to figure out what this customer has in mind. Basically this “experiment” wasn’t showing how horrible the logo design company was, but how horrible the customer-logo designer communication was in this case. I do think that the logos were awful, but what did the logo design website portfolio look like? Was it similar crap? If so, again, it is the customer’s fault for going with them (what?! why is my logo not as good as Coca cola’s? I thought these guys designed Coca cola’s logo!!) I also think that maybe Abina might have guessed that this “red flag” customer was just impossible to please.

Everyone should know this:
Fast, Good, or Cheap. Choose Two.
(http://freelanceswitch.com/money/fast-good-cheap-pricing-freelance-work/)
Since you want a “good” logo so cheap, well, that is why it will take years.

]]> By: chris http://www.160over90.com/blog/2009/02/17/the-50-dollar-logo-experiment/comment-page-5/#comment-1965 chris Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:01:41 +0000 http://www.160over90.com/blog/?p=2070#comment-1965 $50 logo is priceless! I like how the word "cheeses" was bisected in one version...or as they say in the business, "cut the cheeses" $50 logo is priceless! I like how the word “cheeses” was bisected in one version…or as they say in the business, “cut the cheeses”

]]> By: lindsayanng http://www.160over90.com/blog/2009/02/17/the-50-dollar-logo-experiment/comment-page-4/#comment-1953 lindsayanng Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:06:04 +0000 http://www.160over90.com/blog/?p=2070#comment-1953 "Logo design gal" are you dilusional? Don't you see that the $50 spent on the logo through this business would have actually truthfully been better spend FLUSHING IT DOWN THE TOILET or burning it. Why? well, because if this new mom and pop company DID settle on a logo and chose the one that they loved.. what would they get? They would get a logo that is HORRIBLY designed, that gives their business a cheap looking identity and will likely hurt them in the long run because people will not take the business seriously. With the age of the internet, even small mom and pop stores compete with the biggest stores on some level. By putting a cheap logo on your businesses' identity, you are cheapening the ENTIRE identity of your business that you worked really hard to create. Take your $50 and save it.. it is sooo not worth spending it on some crappy clipart logo.. But then again, "Logo design gal" your name links to one of "those" cheap logo design mills. “Logo design gal” are you dilusional? Don’t you see that the $50 spent on the logo through this business would have actually truthfully been better spend FLUSHING IT DOWN THE TOILET or burning it.

Why? well, because if this new mom and pop company DID settle on a logo and chose the one that they loved.. what would they get? They would get a logo that is HORRIBLY designed, that gives their business a cheap looking identity and will likely hurt them in the long run because people will not take the business seriously.

With the age of the internet, even small mom and pop stores compete with the biggest stores on some level. By putting a cheap logo on your businesses’ identity, you are cheapening the ENTIRE identity of your business that you worked really hard to create.

Take your $50 and save it.. it is sooo not worth spending it on some crappy clipart logo.. But then again, “Logo design gal” your name links to one of “those” cheap logo design mills.

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